1 00:00:16,349 --> 00:00:12,250 [Music] 2 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:16,359 first I want to thank everyone for not 3 00:00:19,710 --> 00:00:17,920 only staying to the last day but also 4 00:00:21,269 --> 00:00:19,720 the talk right before lunch or all 5 00:00:24,659 --> 00:00:21,279 troupers so I'll try to keep it brief 6 00:00:25,740 --> 00:00:24,669 for your sake so first I'm going to go 7 00:00:27,569 --> 00:00:25,750 over you know some stuff that you've 8 00:00:29,819 --> 00:00:27,579 heard a lot in this section that próxima 9 00:00:32,220 --> 00:00:29,829 B has a very uncertain formation there's 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:32,230 three main formation pathways that could 11 00:00:36,630 --> 00:00:35,050 have preceded Institute for mation where 12 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:36,640 it formed effectively where we see today 13 00:00:41,310 --> 00:00:38,590 it could have formed farther out in the 14 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:41,320 disk and migrated inward or it could 15 00:00:44,550 --> 00:00:43,180 have formed via some dynamic instability 16 00:00:46,170 --> 00:00:44,560 where it formed somewhere in the disk 17 00:00:47,850 --> 00:00:46,180 and some planet planets scattering 18 00:00:51,060 --> 00:00:47,860 catapulted the planet to where it is 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:51,070 today and in those processes Proxima 20 00:00:54,330 --> 00:00:52,930 beat could be water rich or poor today 21 00:00:56,130 --> 00:00:54,340 it could have a lot of volatile the 22 00:00:57,780 --> 00:00:56,140 hydrogen envelope like Rodrigo talked 23 00:00:59,580 --> 00:00:57,790 about earlier but these are things that 24 00:01:02,069 --> 00:00:59,590 are rather poorly constrained and need a 25 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:02,079 lot of modeling and additionally you 26 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:04,329 know as we heard about earlier with no 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:06,729 radius constraint we can't exactly pin 28 00:01:12,630 --> 00:01:10,570 down what mass it is exactly so there is 29 00:01:14,459 --> 00:01:12,640 still regions of parameter space albeit 30 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:14,469 unlikely from what we saw earlier that 31 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:15,850 it could have an extended hydrogen 32 00:01:19,139 --> 00:01:17,770 envelope and be a mini Neptune but 33 00:01:21,980 --> 00:01:19,149 there's a lot of modeling that needs to 34 00:01:24,179 --> 00:01:21,990 be done to constrain these things 35 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:24,189 additionally as Rodrigo pointed out pre 36 00:01:27,419 --> 00:01:25,929 main-sequence water loss in this planet 37 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:27,429 is going to be very important to 38 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:29,170 understand how much water exists on it 39 00:01:33,090 --> 00:01:31,090 today if it's formed with a lot of water 40 00:01:34,559 --> 00:01:33,100 in the beginning so as you can see on 41 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:34,569 the right-hand side here 42 00:01:40,019 --> 00:01:37,630 Proxima be if it existed at its current 43 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:40,029 orbit for its entire lifetime existed 44 00:01:43,649 --> 00:01:42,310 within or sorry interior to the 45 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:43,659 habitable zone it to be careful with 46 00:01:48,899 --> 00:01:45,969 that interior to the apples own for 47 00:01:51,089 --> 00:01:48,909 around 170 million years you know with 48 00:01:52,559 --> 00:01:51,099 some uncertainty and during that time as 49 00:01:55,409 --> 00:01:52,569 Rodrigo showed it could have undergone 50 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:55,419 some substantial water loss with you 51 00:01:59,429 --> 00:01:57,130 know several Earth oceans maybe up to 52 00:02:02,730 --> 00:01:59,439 ten Earth oceans being lost depending on 53 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:02,740 your model parameters further 54 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:04,329 complicating this as we saw on an 55 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:06,490 earlier talk by Rory Barnes that tides 56 00:02:10,740 --> 00:02:08,410 are definitely going to be important for 57 00:02:12,270 --> 00:02:10,750 any M dwarf planet residing in the 58 00:02:14,699 --> 00:02:12,280 habitable zone of their host stars and 59 00:02:17,309 --> 00:02:14,709 these tides can tend to circularize the 60 00:02:19,290 --> 00:02:17,319 orbits dance obliquity z-- drive tidal 61 00:02:20,970 --> 00:02:19,300 heating and it can place the orbit in a 62 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:20,980 tidally locked state where it could be 63 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:23,050 in some flavor of a spin orbit residence 64 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:24,970 you know a 3 to 2 or 1/2 65 00:02:28,900 --> 00:02:27,110 potentially and this you know as we saw 66 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:28,910 earlier in GCM modeling by Tony del 67 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:30,890 Genio can be very important for 68 00:02:35,050 --> 00:02:32,630 understanding what the planet looks like 69 00:02:37,150 --> 00:02:35,060 today depending on its composition so 70 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:37,160 these are all very extremely important 71 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:40,090 for understanding Proxima beat today 72 00:02:45,310 --> 00:02:42,770 so with these for physics in mind you 73 00:02:47,230 --> 00:02:45,320 know we need to simulate these in a very 74 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:47,240 cohesive framework to understand what 75 00:02:51,100 --> 00:02:49,010 Proxima beat can be today so for big 76 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:51,110 ones we have tides the evolution of the 77 00:02:56,380 --> 00:02:54,170 star itself atmospheric escape is where 78 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:56,390 ego talk talked about and the Earth's 79 00:03:00,850 --> 00:02:58,970 like interior physics that can drive you 80 00:03:02,890 --> 00:03:00,860 know the formation of a core and can 81 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:02,900 actually couple with these different 82 00:03:08,110 --> 00:03:06,290 models especially the tidal balls so we 83 00:03:10,060 --> 00:03:08,120 do is we actually couple these for all 84 00:03:11,830 --> 00:03:10,070 these physics in a framework v planet 85 00:03:14,500 --> 00:03:11,840 that's presented in barns at all 2017 86 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:14,510 which is still under review we use the 87 00:03:19,060 --> 00:03:16,520 title evolution the compensated leg 88 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:19,070 model of frost melo at all 2008 the 89 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:20,510 stellar evolution we use young style 90 00:03:25,660 --> 00:03:23,000 tracks that are appropriate for low mass 91 00:03:27,460 --> 00:03:25,670 stars like Proxima use a third one D 92 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:27,470 thermal interior code developed by Peter 93 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:29,510 Driscoll and collaborators and finally 94 00:03:33,150 --> 00:03:31,280 we use the atmospheric escape formalism 95 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:33,160 of the air cave at all which is a 96 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:36,890 representative Rodrigo's 2015 paper now 97 00:03:40,030 --> 00:03:38,209 I want to be careful I want to claim 98 00:03:41,740 --> 00:03:40,040 that we're not modeling everything in 99 00:03:43,210 --> 00:03:41,750 the system as my Klein pointed out 100 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:43,220 there's a lot of higher-order physics 101 00:03:47,020 --> 00:03:44,870 that need to be resolved for a very 102 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:47,030 robust estimation but if we're going to 103 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:48,560 simulate all these different physics to 104 00:03:52,930 --> 00:03:51,110 understand how Proxima B is today and if 105 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:52,940 I want to simulate all these on a PhD 106 00:03:57,490 --> 00:03:55,190 time scale we have to use these 1d 107 00:03:59,410 --> 00:03:57,500 models in this framework so we can still 108 00:04:02,290 --> 00:03:59,420 come up with some robust statistical 109 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:02,300 conclusions now I want to say that I am 110 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:04,130 committing a cardinal sin of this 111 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:06,769 session I'm not working in a Bayesian 112 00:04:10,810 --> 00:04:08,959 framework but before you throw things at 113 00:04:12,220 --> 00:04:10,820 me I want to mention that when you 114 00:04:14,650 --> 00:04:12,230 combine all these physics this is a 115 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:14,660 massive parameter space upwards of 30 116 00:04:18,460 --> 00:04:16,820 parameters so even though V planet is 117 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:18,470 blazingly fast I don't care how much 118 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:20,209 computer time you have you're not going 119 00:04:23,980 --> 00:04:22,010 to resolve every single dimension now 120 00:04:25,930 --> 00:04:23,990 this is stuff we're working on but here 121 00:04:28,030 --> 00:04:25,940 I present some bookend and member 122 00:04:29,650 --> 00:04:28,040 simulations just so we can see how these 123 00:04:31,810 --> 00:04:29,660 different flavors of evolution actually 124 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:31,820 progress so we can have an idea of how 125 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:33,289 these different physics actually couple 126 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:35,930 in reality so first one thing I would 127 00:04:39,470 --> 00:04:37,590 have note about the tides here we 128 00:04:40,910 --> 00:04:39,480 work with the constant phase light phase 129 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:40,920 like model and that has to do with this 130 00:04:45,380 --> 00:04:43,770 nebulous parameter Q and Q effectively 131 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:45,390 just parameter eise's how efficient it 132 00:04:49,490 --> 00:04:47,670 tides are how fast the tides proceed so 133 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:49,500 on the left here small title Q is 134 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:51,210 consistent with an earth-like planet 135 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:53,400 where you have these surface oceans 136 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:56,310 driving very fast tidal evolutions this 137 00:05:00,260 --> 00:04:58,050 is efficient dissipation and a large 138 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:00,270 tidal queue could be some planet with a 139 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:02,850 very extended atmosphere like in Neptune 140 00:05:07,250 --> 00:05:05,130 let's say so these large tidal queues of 141 00:05:10,340 --> 00:05:07,260 order like 10 to the 4 let's say lead to 142 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:10,350 inefficient dissipation so in our 143 00:05:15,530 --> 00:05:12,150 coupled title model we effectively take 144 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:15,540 the harmonic mean of the tidal Q and if 145 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:16,770 anyone was asking about why that's 146 00:05:20,090 --> 00:05:18,270 physically justified I'll be happy to 147 00:05:23,030 --> 00:05:20,100 get into that later but effectively what 148 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:23,040 we do is we include a thermal interior 149 00:05:27,590 --> 00:05:25,530 portion a portion due to oceans and an 150 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:27,600 envelope in this onion planet model 151 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:29,760 represented schematically below and we 152 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:32,220 simulate three major cases the first one 153 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:34,080 is no ocean case where we just have the 154 00:05:38,660 --> 00:05:36,510 1d earth model Peter Driscoll driving 155 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:38,670 the evolution of the planet and its 156 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:40,500 growth of the mantle and the internal 157 00:05:46,190 --> 00:05:42,330 core of the planet actually gives it a 158 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:46,200 title Q of a few hundreds webside now in 159 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:48,170 our second case the ocean case we just 160 00:05:52,990 --> 00:05:50,730 slap on an ocean of the planet assuming 161 00:05:55,250 --> 00:05:53,000 a liquid surface ocean with the title Q 162 00:05:57,370 --> 00:05:55,260 consistent of Earth which is you know 163 00:06:00,410 --> 00:05:57,380 mostly tightly driven by its oceans and 164 00:06:02,330 --> 00:06:00,420 we compute the net tidal Q this way but 165 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:02,340 when the planet is in the runaway 166 00:06:05,810 --> 00:06:04,410 greenhouse phase there's not going to be 167 00:06:07,430 --> 00:06:05,820 any liquid water present on the surface 168 00:06:09,410 --> 00:06:07,440 instead it's going to be in some steam 169 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:09,420 atmosphere so we neglect that term from 170 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:11,820 our calculations so in our final case 171 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:14,130 the envelope case is our full onion of a 172 00:06:18,380 --> 00:06:15,510 planet where we have all these different 173 00:06:19,910 --> 00:06:18,390 terms and we use an envelope Q of 10 to 174 00:06:23,570 --> 00:06:19,920 the 4 consistent with that of Neptune 175 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:23,580 drive-bys and Hamilton 2008 but again 176 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:25,290 there's a caveat when the envelope is 177 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:26,580 actually present that's going to be 178 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:29,010 exerting a high pressure on the water so 179 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:30,360 it's likely going to be super critical 180 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:32,880 so we again neglect the ocean term while 181 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:35,490 the envelope is present so now we're 182 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:36,450 going to look at how some of these 183 00:06:40,220 --> 00:06:38,310 parameters evolve as function of time so 184 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:40,230 here we have the title Q as a function 185 00:06:44,570 --> 00:06:42,210 of time for our cases and note that we 186 00:06:46,610 --> 00:06:44,580 also have this Cpl case which is just 187 00:06:48,590 --> 00:06:46,620 our base case effectively where we have 188 00:06:49,850 --> 00:06:48,600 a constant tidal queue of 12 through the 189 00:06:50,690 --> 00:06:49,860 whole simulation just as a good 190 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:50,700 reference for it 191 00:06:55,450 --> 00:06:53,130 so you can see the envelope ocean and 192 00:06:58,370 --> 00:06:55,460 ocean case are all dominated by this 193 00:07:00,440 --> 00:06:58,380 interior evolution as they all progress 194 00:07:01,910 --> 00:07:00,450 to a title cue of a few hundreds and 195 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:01,920 then you see this abrupt phase 196 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:03,960 transition and this occurs when the 197 00:07:07,250 --> 00:07:05,370 planet actually leaves the runaway 198 00:07:09,290 --> 00:07:07,260 greenhouse phase there's some you know 199 00:07:11,750 --> 00:07:09,300 epic monsoon where all the oceans 200 00:07:13,460 --> 00:07:11,760 condense and this leads to very rapid 201 00:07:15,140 --> 00:07:13,470 tidal evolution as the tidal keep 202 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:15,150 plummets and we can see how this 203 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:16,890 actually impacts the orbits if we look 204 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:19,110 at this orbital eccentricity on the left 205 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:21,660 and the semi-major axis on the right so 206 00:07:26,030 --> 00:07:23,760 again for both of these cases you see 207 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:26,040 that it's pretty much the mantle the 208 00:07:30,650 --> 00:07:27,870 thermal interior dominating this tight 209 00:07:32,810 --> 00:07:30,660 little evolution during the during the 210 00:07:34,430 --> 00:07:32,820 runaway greenhouse phase and again when 211 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:34,440 you leave that phase that's when the 212 00:07:37,790 --> 00:07:36,030 tides really turn on you have this 213 00:07:39,650 --> 00:07:37,800 orbital circularization and your 214 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:39,660 semi-major axis starts to decay due to 215 00:07:44,810 --> 00:07:43,170 efficient tidal dissipation now we can 216 00:07:46,580 --> 00:07:44,820 look at tidal heating to see what goes 217 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:46,590 on here now you see a spike that I'll 218 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:47,520 get to that 219 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:49,770 so you see initially that the new ocean 220 00:07:53,060 --> 00:07:51,360 case the thermal interior again 221 00:07:55,070 --> 00:07:53,070 dominates earlier but you see this 222 00:07:57,140 --> 00:07:55,080 little bouncing of the envelope here 223 00:07:59,150 --> 00:07:57,150 what's going on here so what this 224 00:08:01,940 --> 00:07:59,160 actually is as the planet is losing 225 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:01,950 hydrogen due to hydrodynamic escape the 226 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:03,840 radius actually changes and we use a 227 00:08:08,270 --> 00:08:06,690 some ATO bat models from Eric Lopez I 228 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:08,280 believe to actually calculate the radius 229 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:10,170 as a function of hydrogen mass here so 230 00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:11,250 that's what's going on for this little 231 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:14,160 wiggling now again as you guess it this 232 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:16,050 spike is due to oceans condensing the 233 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:18,210 efficient tides turn on and you get some 234 00:08:23,030 --> 00:08:20,730 substantial tidal heating actually in 235 00:08:25,190 --> 00:08:23,040 excess of IO which is of order two watts 236 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:25,200 per meter squared now this planet isn't 237 00:08:30,530 --> 00:08:27,600 going to be throwing up its guts like IO 238 00:08:33,620 --> 00:08:30,540 is instead this title dissipation mostly 239 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:33,630 happens at the ocean rock interface here 240 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:35,490 so this could warm the ocean but 241 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:37,770 probably not appreciably at this tidal 242 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:40,500 heat flux but for closer in planets you 243 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:42,060 know as the tidal forces get stronger 244 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:43,440 depending on your orbital distance to 245 00:08:47,210 --> 00:08:45,630 the star you can get more substantial 246 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:47,220 title heating in a scenario like this 247 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:49,800 and that was explored in a 2013 paper by 248 00:08:53,660 --> 00:08:51,300 Rory but I won't get into that anymore 249 00:08:55,790 --> 00:08:53,670 and then finally let's look at how the 250 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:55,800 hydrogen envelope on the Left that mass 251 00:08:59,600 --> 00:08:57,300 and the water content on the right 252 00:09:01,640 --> 00:08:59,610 actually vary as a function of time so 253 00:09:03,199 --> 00:09:01,650 in our two cases where we actually have 254 00:09:05,150 --> 00:09:03,209 liquid water we have the Oh 255 00:09:07,669 --> 00:09:05,160 in case in blue which doesn't have the 256 00:09:10,819 --> 00:09:07,679 iodine envelope and then and then the 257 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:10,829 envelope case in the orange line which 258 00:09:15,290 --> 00:09:12,300 does have a hydrogen envelope hence its 259 00:09:16,699 --> 00:09:15,300 name we can see that the envelope 260 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:16,709 actually decreases due to the 261 00:09:22,009 --> 00:09:18,600 hydrodynamic escape such that the entire 262 00:09:24,769 --> 00:09:22,019 envelope has been not pushed off the 263 00:09:27,290 --> 00:09:24,779 planet but it fully escaped by around 80 264 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:27,300 mega years or so and in this time it's 265 00:09:29,780 --> 00:09:28,410 interesting if you look at the water 266 00:09:32,329 --> 00:09:29,790 curve you see that that hydrogen 267 00:09:35,329 --> 00:09:32,339 envelope has protected the surface water 268 00:09:37,069 --> 00:09:35,339 in this case and this can be in of 269 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:37,079 course once you see the oceans condense 270 00:09:40,669 --> 00:09:37,889 and you lead the runaway greenhouse 271 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:40,679 phase there's no water in the atmosphere 272 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:42,569 that could be subject to fatalis and 273 00:09:46,639 --> 00:09:44,970 subsequent escape but if you look in 274 00:09:48,470 --> 00:09:46,649 this case you can see that the hydrogen 275 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:48,480 envelope can actually be very efficient 276 00:09:52,730 --> 00:09:51,600 in preserving some surface water so you 277 00:09:54,379 --> 00:09:52,740 see it doesn't lose anything the 278 00:09:56,929 --> 00:09:54,389 envelope is present and in this you know 279 00:09:58,970 --> 00:09:56,939 obviously fine-tuned case we end up with 280 00:10:00,980 --> 00:09:58,980 roughly one earth ocean of water which 281 00:10:02,449 --> 00:10:00,990 is excellent now again like Rodrigo I'm 282 00:10:04,009 --> 00:10:02,459 not going to claim to a solve Proxima 283 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:04,019 Centauri B but these are some 284 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:05,850 interesting cases that must be 285 00:10:08,809 --> 00:10:07,529 considered for a planet like this 286 00:10:12,019 --> 00:10:08,819 especially when there are large 287 00:10:13,759 --> 00:10:12,029 uncertainties on its formation so I'll 288 00:10:16,129 --> 00:10:13,769 conclude and say that coupling these 289 00:10:17,660 --> 00:10:16,139 physics like although they are 1d models 290 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:17,670 and they are rather simple but they're 291 00:10:21,289 --> 00:10:19,170 very important to understand the 292 00:10:23,509 --> 00:10:21,299 cohesive evolution of sussel such a 293 00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:23,519 system especially when there are non 294 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:26,040 zero cases that can lead to a habitable 295 00:10:30,289 --> 00:10:28,230 Proxima B today you know as an optimist 296 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:30,299 is what I hope for albeit likely you 297 00:10:34,429 --> 00:10:32,850 know it's unlikely and we have this code 298 00:10:36,439 --> 00:10:34,439 bee planet that allows us to couple 299 00:10:38,359 --> 00:10:36,449 these and simulate a large number of 300 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:38,369 these not necessarily you know 10 to the 301 00:10:42,980 --> 00:10:40,920 40 or so but still enough that we can do 302 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:42,990 some sort of these Bayesian Alice's that 303 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:45,360 Rodrigo presented earlier and of course 304 00:10:48,889 --> 00:10:47,279 this depends a lot a lot on its 305 00:10:50,749 --> 00:10:48,899 formation which needs to be constrained 306 00:10:53,119 --> 00:10:50,759 by models in terms of how much water it 307 00:10:55,189 --> 00:10:53,129 has and its hydrogen envelope and of 308 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:55,199 course this is a huge parameter space to 309 00:10:59,210 --> 00:10:56,730 explore so if we are going to do any 310 00:11:01,069 --> 00:10:59,220 sort of Bayesian stuff with this coupled 311 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:01,079 model we have to speed it up and I will 312 00:11:04,850 --> 00:11:02,910 you know plug myself of course that this 313 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:04,860 is some work I'm doing with using 314 00:11:08,119 --> 00:11:06,480 machine learning to actually speed this 315 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:08,129 up and appropriately sample high 316 00:11:11,299 --> 00:11:09,929 dimensional parameter spaces and with 317 00:11:16,940 --> 00:11:11,309 that I'll be happy to take any questions 318 00:11:20,730 --> 00:11:19,440 thank you very much David so yeah we do 319 00:11:26,730 --> 00:11:20,740 have time for questions for those of you 320 00:11:29,510 --> 00:11:26,740 who are not too hungry I could go ahead 321 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:29,520 and get your coffee earlier as well I 322 00:11:33,780 --> 00:11:31,840 have a question sort of for all the 323 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:33,790 speakers in this they talked about this 324 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:35,050 beep planet model is this model 325 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:37,540 eventually going to be available somehow 326 00:11:42,330 --> 00:11:39,550 to the community of interested Koreans 327 00:11:44,580 --> 00:11:42,340 from these type of models I guess that's 328 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:44,590 my more of a question for me yeah so I 329 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:46,210 yeah that is that is definitely the goal 330 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:47,440 and we are working towards that so uh 331 00:11:50,970 --> 00:11:49,180 you know I can't give you a precise time 332 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:50,980 frame but hopefully within the next year 333 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:52,450 or so we'll be a being able to really 334 00:11:57,510 --> 00:11:54,430 set to the public so we're working 335 00:11:59,160 --> 00:11:57,520 towards our plan and this is a 336 00:12:01,410 --> 00:11:59,170 potentially naive question this is not 337 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:01,420 my field of expertise can you use the 338 00:12:05,370 --> 00:12:02,830 known or upper limits on the 339 00:12:06,780 --> 00:12:05,380 eccentricity for proxy Envy to back out 340 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:06,790 and say whether there's a notion or not 341 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:09,040 you've got if there's a notion it should 342 00:12:12,990 --> 00:12:11,650 have a title dissipation and you should 343 00:12:15,870 --> 00:12:13,000 have a circular orbit if it's very good 344 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:15,880 at anticipating an orbital energy but if 345 00:12:19,610 --> 00:12:17,380 there if it's an eccentric orbit you can 346 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:19,620 argue that there can't be much ocean um 347 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:22,690 so I think in this case whether or not 348 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:24,430 there is an ocean or not is 349 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:25,750 predominantly dominated by the 350 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:27,610 uncertainties on our atmospheric escape 351 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:29,170 model I guess where we go spoke about 352 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:30,940 earlier referencing him a lot that 353 00:12:35,850 --> 00:12:32,350 there's just a substantial uncertainty 354 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:35,860 with the planets previous XUV luminosity 355 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:38,470 evolution which we do try to model in 356 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:40,210 terms of its eccentricities higher 357 00:12:45,090 --> 00:12:42,010 eccentricity you get more orbit average 358 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:45,100 flux right that is not a case we probed 359 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:48,370 here but even with if we just evolve it 360 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:50,620 with an exome tricity of 0.35 and keep 361 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:52,750 that constant it's still that luminosity 362 00:12:57,540 --> 00:12:55,050 evolution that's driving this although 363 00:12:59,100 --> 00:12:57,550 when you get into a framework like this 364 00:13:00,990 --> 00:12:59,110 that's when we can start to split hairs 365 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:01,000 and see like okay how much oceans you 366 00:13:04,890 --> 00:13:03,130 actually need to begin with if you start 367 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:04,900 in a high luminosity state and with our 368 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:07,660 Cpl model it's not strictly valid at 369 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:09,490 higher eccentricities like that we need 370 00:13:12,780 --> 00:13:11,530 to switch to a CTL model for example 371 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:12,790 they can handle these higher 372 00:13:18,180 --> 00:13:14,770 eccentricities but here we focus more on 373 00:13:20,940 --> 00:13:18,190 the low eccentricity regime thank you 374 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:24,820 all right any more questions all right 375 00:13:27,790 --> 00:13:26,510 well then I thank you all for coming to 376 00:13:30,490 --> 00:13:27,800 this session when I could break for 377 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:30,500 lunch before we go I want you know I 378 00:13:35,019 --> 00:13:32,720 remind you all to to please fill out the 379 00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:35,029 survey formula that you can get at the 380 00:13:39,130 --> 00:13:36,830 kiosk across from the registration desk 381 00:13:40,750 --> 00:13:39,140 but let's say I go ahead and thank all